My apologies for the long delay. I had a couple of compile errors I haven't had time to follow up on . However, another Manjaro user seems to have solved the issue. There has been an out-of-date python-efl package (1.15) in the repositories. At first blush all seems to be well after installing 1.17. However, if we could leave the report open just a wee bit longer I will turn back to doing a trace just in case.

OK, I've built and installed econnman with -O0 and -g flags . . . and it now returns "No stack."

Thanks. Sorry for the delay in getting a backtrace, but I'm just catching time between work these days.

From the last line of the output it looks as if I am missing debugging symbols. I am swamped at the moment, so I can likely not get to adding symbols until the weekend. For what it's worth, here is the output so far. Let me know if, by chance, it helps:

I agree with Simon and would add that, since I rarely have my shelf filled to full length, I find myself clicking the bit of wallpaper that shows for quick access to the menu to do things like restart E or take a screenshot.

Thanks for the clarification, Mike.

Yet, if you ask "should the option be available," I would say, "yes." Even though I have not availed myself of the option, the question has focused me on the possibilities and I WILL be playing with some variations!

My non-autohide shelves are 28px. I have found that on 15,6" screens larger is OK, but smaller laptop screens don't just give more screen area, but look better as well. My autohide, left-side shelf is 40px as I recall.

Like Dale I have two production machines without autohide (at the bottom) and one mostly for play and theme work that has an autohide shelf on the left side.

Um, I believe that would be known as (or at least the equivlaent of) abstaining! :-0

I think gadgets should take top priority for two reasons. First, for a DE E still has relatively few native applications and gadgets. Second, and more important, I keep seeing complaints from those who mourn the loss of of this or that from e17. Yes, it can be a pain finding settings at times, but KDE can present similar challenges at times and people manage to live with it.

I am new to (Manjaro) E18/19 and a relative novice, but I would be glad to take a crack at drafting something and maintaining it. I find the video hard to read and too long to be convenient. The man file I've seen is incomplete.